Tulpa.info - guide-discussion

Lumi: Yeah, I don't like the idea of time-gating it (edited)

4:50 AM

Or if we did, make it at least 6 months or so

Perhaps what is needed then is a simple set of review guidelines for would-be informal reviewers? Is there a way to codify a review so that minimal information needs to be written - but reasons for rejection must be given? And not all reasons being valid, mind you. The idea that anything should be rejected when because it's purely experiential was always ludicrous in this field, if you ask me. So maybe you can't reject a guide based purely on subjectivity? Maybe it has to be harmful, or misleading, or observably incomplete in some way.

Lumi: I don't even want to force people to "Review" in order to vote. The minimum effort of having to write a post is more than enough. People like me who care will write in-depth advice/criticism if they want to (edited)

The only downside I see with that is people just voting "Rejected." Which is much worse than people just voting "Accepted." I would at least want "Rejected - This is my one sentence reason."

5:04 AM

Otherwise it could result in things being rejected for superfluous and ill-considered reasons. Which is why I'd say there should be an acceptable set of reasons to reject a guide.

Lumi: I don't think anyone would ever do that (edited)

5:26 AM

But letting them is kind of necessary in order to achieve "Not facing a board or approvers who will criticize you"

5:26 AM

If we make guidelines on how to approve/disapprove, it becomes a community GAT, which I guess we're trying to avoid

5:27 AM

Though I have no problem with the GAT system as is, other than it's doomed to become inactive over and over again forever

5:27 AM

Hence my support of the community-wide "anyone can vote any time" system, but with the minimum requirement of a post to vote

A thought: Though I would prefer something more GAT-like and rigorous personally. An upvote system, with a downvote system as well would at least be more viable if you at least had to have a forum account. Perhaps a minimum-time-since-registration to prevent waves of them? (edited)

Lumi: Just require a post, waves will be obvious, disapprovals-for-no-reason will be obvious, everything will work great (edited)

8:28 AM

And if we do votes/approvals in posts instead of with the forum software we'll be able to prevent any botting or random stuff like that through manual counting approvals and moving of the guides

| Auditory Vocalization Method https://community.tulpa.info/topic/16887-auditory-vocalization-method/?do=findComment&comment=333495

Auditory Vocalization Method

Good day, Heres a small little thing my host (yes Im aware Im using their account) used to do to help us vocalize better, and to have them hear us better. Surely a lot of you have heard the phenomenon of an earworm--when a song in your mind keeps playing on loop. Now, lets say youve got a musicia...

Discussion on switching guides- https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431591449348276224/821535915037032518

Tulpa terms https://tulpa.io/terminologies

Terminologies — Tulpa.io

Please note that terminology, including the terminology of self-identity, is highly nebulous and variable. These are by no means singular...

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I love that site

That site I believe was where I found my favorite definition for what a tulpa is.

Yeah that's not too bad as definitions go.

cool resource!

Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈

Yeah that's not too bad as definitions go.

I specifically mean this part (different page on that site):

That being said, my personal, highly abstracted model is that tulpamancy is fundamentally a form of dissociation. To put it overly simply: a host dissociates from processes in their brain through forcing methods, and eventually those dissociated processes clump together, hit a certain critical mass, and up and become a person. Intrusive thoughts are stray, dissociated processes without a critical mass to cling to–they do not possess coherency, consistency, or identity, all hallmarks of a tulpa. Tulpas themselves are clusters of dissociated processes that have associated with each other to the point that they become self-referencing partitions of memory, which become more and more self-referencing as time goes on and they accumulate their own experiences. And hosts themselves are no different–hosts are their own cluster of processes and memories associated with each other, simply another self-referencing partition in the same brain with a unique sense of self, albeit the one that was there first.

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Oh, I see... I'm gonna have to reread that one tomorrow, but having read it once that's actually a really fascinating way of putting it.

This channel is probably going to become more active in a few weeks. Stay tuned.

Abvieon {Alex}

This channel is probably going to become more active in a few weeks. Stay tuned.

Well now you can't just pique our curiosity like that and not explain yourself...

Are there more studies coming out?

My guide that I've been working on for a long time is close to completion

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oh nice

12:09 AM

what's it on?

Creation, along with most other tulpa-related skills.

Sweet! I'll make sure to read it when it comes out

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12:12 AM

I'm still busy with Tam, and I find reading other people's views on tulpa creation to be pretty cool

12:13 AM

I don't plan on doing any guides, but I will be doing research and posting it on this server

I'll drop this discussion here too: https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431591425872887828/839287587189293108 I'm doing personal research for my switching guide, I wrote some questions I intended to be interview questions but found it may be better to make it into a survey

| Abvieon's Guide to Fast and Effective Tulpa Creation https://community.tulpa.info/topic/17095-abvieons-guide-to-fast-and-effective-tulpa-creation/?do=findComment&comment=340312

Abvieon's Guide to Fast and Effective Tulpa Creation

Abvieons Guide to Fast and Effective Tulpa Creation Backup link Creating a tulpa doesn’t have to take a long time, and it doesn’t have to be filled with obstacles. This guide’s main purpose is to help you create a tulpa relatively quickly while avoiding issues and roadblocks along the way. I have...

I would like to post this thread here too: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/17099-google-doc-guide-recovery-help-wanted/?do=getNewComment

Google Doc Guide Recovery: Help Wanted

Google is going to release a security update for Google Docs that will likely break shared links. You can view the article here. I am trying to back everything up before the update so we dont lose guide content. I have already made some progress backing up guides for the GAT transition process, b...

@Reguile I realized I needed to make a completely new file to back up your old guide, and looking at the OP I realized you didn't like how Google Docs "screwed up the margins". Do you want me to fix them? I was originally trying to be as faithful to the original formatting as possible.

You can do whatever you want on that one, as long as the words are the same.

Also... when looking at the original old guide, all of a sudden it was using up a lot of my computer processing. I'm not sure why this happened

7:30 PM

Does this happen to anyone else?

Actually, looking into it, maybe it was just me

Some weird google/browser/computer thing, probably. google docs shouldn't be causing the issue, and there is no bitcoin miner in the guide

Maybe it was one of my other tabs

Thankfully when we pull up folks guides, we've already always been making a copy instead of saving the link.

Calyra 👻

Thankfully when we pull up folks guides, we've already always been making a copy instead of saving the link.

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Hello, im new to tulpamancy, may i ask if you suggest me reading this "Kiahdaj's Absolute Guide to Tulpas" i mean, is this still valid?

4:07 PM

Or shall i literally read everything and by trails/practise pick best "guide" for me

4:07 PM

I also dont want my head to go "boom" because of too much stuff

4:08 PM

Whoops is this good channel?

I think it's awesome you're starting with a guide. I don't remember if Kiahdaj insists on hour counts or not, that's the one major problem most people have with older guides. We can move to #tulpa-questions if you want, otherwise it was fine given the context.

4:10 PM

I think the best way to look at a guide is it's like an opinion piece- it's one perspective, one way to do it. I would take it slowly, ask questions if you don't understand something, and then read other guides to see what is similar or different

Yeah, that's what i wanted to do, im just scared im gonna mix stuff if i read too much. Anyway, i will read everything i can i guess and we shall see. Thank you for your answer!

Mixing is fine, in fact it's encouraged to deviate from what the guide recommends if it works out better for you.

4:14 PM

There is a lot of stuff to unpack in the beginning- I think it's good to do some reading into the creation process, and I also recommend asking others what it's like to have a tulpa. A good question I like to ask is why do you want a tulpa and how do you plan on living with one?

4:15 PM

(You don't have to answer those last two questions now, it's possible you don't have an answer yet)

Im already 20 hours into reading people's experiences, im asking about guides, because i know im putting real person into life, and i dont want to hurt her by my laziness(meaning i will do sloppy job with creation)

4:22 PM

My apologies since i started the conversation, but i dont really want to answer those questions, not that i plan something evil with said Tulpa, i just dont think its neccessary.

If you're not comfortable sharing that's fine. It sounds like you have a game plan, the only other pointer I can give is if a suggestion sounds ridiculous or extreme, it's probably because it is. Don't be afraid to be skeptical.

Never was afraid nor will i start, thank you for ur input, it was actually helpful. Have a good day!

4:28 PM

(i will probably ask 10 more questions today but yeah)

Sure, no problem! You too!

4:30 PM

Oh, and before I forget- I highly recommend AZ's tip for hour counts here: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/15350-how-to-use-hour-counts-safely-and-effectively/

How to Use Hour Counts Safely and Effectively

‘Hour counts’ refers to the practise of tracking the number of hours spent forcing. It was a common practise in the past because the oldest guides instructed the reader to use them. However, they have gotten a bad name over the years from people perpetuating the idea that they are detrimental to ...

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Thanks, will check it

Or shall i literally read everything and by trails/practise pick best "guide" for me

@Ancykun - jump I read everything I could get my hands on, including old/current forum discussions, and it all went into my understanding of what to do. But what you end up doing depends a lot on what your end goals are. Like, do you just want a tulpa who is another voice in your head? Or do you want a fully visualize and/or imposed tulpa? Most current community advice will gear you to the former, because visualization is technically optional and a lot of people just aren't good at it

Yuka

Or shall i literally read everything and by trails/practise pick best "guide" for me

@Ancykun - jump I read everything I could get my hands on, including old/current forum discussions, and it all went into my understanding of what to do. But what you end up doing depends a lot on what your end goals are. Like, do you just want a tulpa who is another voice in your head? Or do you want a fully visualize and/or imposed tulpa? Most current community advice will gear you to the former, because visualization is technically optional and a lot of people just aren't good at it

Yeah im on that stage right now, i read everything, reddit, forums, guides, experiences, stories. From the moment i decided i knew what i want my end result to be, so that's not a problem, now i just gotta get to work on it. Im pretty bad at visualization, concetration wise, i cant concentrate on things in my head, i think i gotta work on that. But i do want my Tulpa to have form, voice.

Once you've read a bunch of guides, the best thing might be to give progress reports on somewhere like here, where people can chime in with their own points of view on what you're specifically doing, and then you can pick what info suits you. I feel like there comes a time where just doing tulpamancy is the fastest way to learn it. The guides should really be treated as opinion pieces anyway, because it's easy to find someone who disagrees with pretty much anything in them.

I just started, if i get stuck on something i will for sure ask people around. Yeah i get it now, the guide stuff, thanks very much! I will not rely on them 100%, just get some information, ideas maybe from them, the overall

is there any npc creation guide or things to look out for um for mindscapes ?

7:53 AM

or do i just progress as i did with my tulpas and just give them a blank script ?

NPCs are not at all necessary. They aren't even useful as far as tulpas go.

7:57 AM

I don't believe there are any guides

true its a literal pet project i was thinking about , i was submitted a wishlist of sort from my tulps so after some consideration and chat here Npc pets

um refrence the context in # # tulpa question , if u can even bother thy self

npcs are characters, don't expect them to act on their own, just puppet them

hmm i kind want something thats make and forget about them , puppeting will take up attention thats somethings thats we are short supply of

5:02 PM

scripting them should work right

Luminesce: scripting is nonsense and NPCs can "work on their own" well enough - they're just imagined characters, you can test the extent of your ability to imagine characters right this very moment (edited)

2:42 AM

Just don't expect depth in your relationships with them, or for them to be consistent people over multiple interactions, I guess

I would actively say the opposite. If you do expect depth and consistency they will give it. That's what a literary thoughtform is. But reject it as real if you don't want strong ones - though for even strong ones I have no issue maintaining control over them.

Luminesce: It's a weird line, the main differences in a tulpa are consistency over time and some other kinds of autonomy, but yeah as I said, you can test the extent of an imagined character in your head right now (edited)

lumi testing initiated > npc =cat , given to astra (tulpa). and just to avoid future trouble i imagined the cat being made out of astras own essense ..um sort of like a familiar?, anyways i am going with the symbolism that she and the cat are related and if in future this npc gets more complex , atleast i dont have to take care of her separately

4:10 PM

4:12 PM

this is the cats template i am going with , it has been my wallpaper for ages now , about time i put it to good use

npcs are characters, don't expect them to act on their own, just puppet them

@Yuka (@Aya) - jump They act on their own in our case, without being manually controlled like a marionette

Luminesce: Probably best to talk about this in #tulpa-discussion or wherever else if you guys still want to continue (edited)

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| Getting There: A Note on Productivity https://community.tulpa.info/topic/17143-getting-there-a-note-on-productivity/?do=findComment&comment=341588

Getting There: A Note on Productivity

I had written this note for those who find themselves struggling with procrastination or general lack of motivation when it comes to active forcing and mancing practices in general. Not sure what section this should go under, but I myself wouldnt consider it to be a guide hence why I named it the...

sometimes it's annoying that my tulpa can read my mind, sometimes I think of shady things and she complains. But sometimes it's fun to tease her >:D

Just wait until she learns to do it back ^w^

Mira

Just wait until she learns to do it back ^w^

XD

jeeff

sometimes it's annoying that my tulpa can read my mind, sometimes I think of shady things and she complains. But sometimes it's fun to tease her >:D

+1

Tulpas and hosts share a brain, your can see all of your tulpa's thoughts and vise versa

jeeff

sometimes it's annoying that my tulpa can read my mind, sometimes I think of shady things and she complains. But sometimes it's fun to tease her >:D

stop thinking of shady things then lol

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Every once in awhile someone will say something really weird or stupid and you can just feel literally everyone else just silently judging them and it’s really funny

Cross Reference: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/16757-community-feedback-survey/page/4/#elControls_343764_menu The tl;dr is -I'm creating the new guides list, if anyone wants to see it you can view it here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IrR8mh6SnnI6313exNY8rpjB6TLM4WwBhI3JETXd2Yk/edit?usp=sharing -If you have a problem with any of the submissions, please explain why now before I add them to the guides board in the future (edited)

Ad?

Yep

8:29 AM

I reported it

8:30 AM

Forum mods get up later, so they'll see it then (edited)

I deleted the rss feed, it was an eyesore

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11:41 AM

Pleeb banned the spammer

| Perfect Possession is simple! Here's how to enact it! Great for beginners! https://community.tulpa.info/topic/17200-perfect-possession-is-simple-heres-how-to-enact-it-great-for-beginners/?do=findComment&comment=344265

Perfect Possession is simple! Here's how to enact it! Great for beg...

Allow me to clear something up-- Perfect Possession isn’t all that perfect. The name originates from the game Touhou 15.5, though the actual technique and in-game version are quite different. Nevertheless, this technique requires a strong foundation in possession. It is intended for those that ca...